UniDy? You Must be Joking!

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  Sandeep Shete posted 6 mnths ago

hello aditi,
thanks a lot for the visit and the thoughtful comments. i agree with your fundamental explanation as to what constitures a nation. i also agree that the regional politicians we've got have only aggravated local disputes and problems through their myopic and cynical machinations. i also have no problems with people rallying around local issues and voting accordingly as wanting them to do anything other than exercising their franchise as they please would be negating the meaning of democracy.
 
however, i do have a point to make about the examples of concern and elation that you've given. why is it that we choose to express our nationalist feelings (either in terms of collective concern or collective elation) only in a situation where india is in confrontation with an external entity, either on the battlefield or the playing field? why do we need a kargil for ordinary indians to coalesce into a powerful mass of nationalists or a 20-20 win over pakistan for us to feel proud of being indian. and why is it so easy for state-level politicians to brainwash their constituencies into taking positions that may be at odds with the larger national interest? i believe feeling indian ought to be a more comprehensive experience where, even in the absence of an external threat, we should be ever-conscious of the national interests. that was the point i wanted to make through my essay and i am glad several discerning readers like you have mulled it with seriousness.
thanks once again.
sandeep



  Sandeep Shete posted 6 mnths ago

dear atims,

seems like you've got no respite from sulekha bugs. honestly, i was wondering what your cryptic 'ab' was supposed to mean until i scrolled a bit higher and saw your detailed explanation. there's one more way you can work around the bug. type and save your comments in notepad and then paste them on the comment-box. that way whether it's go or no-go you'll still not lose your work. and it'll save you the embarassment of practicing your alphabet on someone else's real-estate.

coming to your comments, well i'll never accuse you of being an idiot for stripping down issues to the bare basics. that's where the solutions to problems lie and i am wondering what a fantastic career you'd have had if you'd opted for engineering. 

anyways, i partly agree with you that one of the root causes of our conflicts is that there's often not enough to go around. but again, i don't agree completely because it's not as if people in the more prosperous and upwardly-mobile communities live in perfect harmony with each other. to give you a rather quotidian example, take the way we choose to celebrate our festivals. without naming any particular community or festival, i'll say that it's rather obnoxious the way the people belonging to a particular (any) community or sect play loudspeakers, burst crackers and hold up traffic, sometimes for days together just because they wish to celebrate their festival and believe everyone should partake in the revelry without demur. do they give any thought to those who might not belong to their community, who might not wish to participate and for whom these celebrations are nothing but nuisance? aren't they also indians, do they not have the right to peace and quiet? see, how selfishly we behave? we aren't even sensitive towards the conditions of our neighbours and we claim hum sab ek hain. the bigger issues that i've highlighted in my blog are indeed extrapolations of these self-serving tendencies among indians. we claim to be a warm and accommodating people, but at the core, we only care about our own little cabals.

thanks for dropping by.

sandeep



  Sandeep Shete posted 6 mnths ago

dear mr. rama rao garimella,

i truly appreciate your revisiting my blog to post another rejoinder to my earlier response. i am impressed at your passionate arguments against my stand and honestly i do not have the wherewithal to counter them all because they are so valid. it is indeed a happy situation that two indians from entirely different backgrounds are engaged in a civilised discussion on a subject on which they hold somewhat divergent views.

i am not at all surprised at the way bollywood and sports manages to unite most indians in either collective jubilation or grief. after all they appeal to some of the most common human emotions and preoccupations such as joy, sorrow, thrill, adventure, conquest etc. and our armed forces are indeed the epitome of national integration, no arguments about that.

what worries one at times is that the kind of conditions that led to the disintegration of the countries you've rightly quoted as examples supporting your stand also exist in our country in varying degrees. while many indians today are indeed experiencing a heightened sense of accomplishment, growth, prosperity and happiness there're also large sections of india that are experiencing injustice, violence, hatred, denial of opportunities and neglect at the hands of their fellow indians. in my opinion being a nationalistic indian should not just mean celebrating a cricketing victory over australia or jiving to the tune of bollywood hits. feeling indian should also mean being sensitive towards the real-life (as opposed to reel-life) needs and aspirations of those indians outside of one's family, community, state etc. it should mean thinking of the supreme interests of the whole of india. in that context i completely agree with you that the politicians must put the nation before the party or coalition. however, i do have a difference of opinion with you about your point that the new crop of politicians are socialising better with their adversaries. on the contrary, the level of politics in india has fallen to such an extent that even the most senior and respected politicians from across the political spectrum are not above playing dirty tricks and hitting below the belt. just recall the recent gujarat election, you'll get my point. in his article, 'the death of dignity' in 'india today' jan.14 edition, prabhu chawla has also made the same point.

however, in summary i'd say that it's the optimism and the positive thinking of individuals like you that's one of the ingredients in the glue that's still holding india together. i am indeed glad to have got to know you better through this blog.
keep visiting.

regards,
sandeep



  Sandeep Shete posted 6 mnths ago

hi bharatborn,
no problem, i didn't expect many readers to enjoy this essay anyway. but thanks for the visit and the forthright comment. 
sandeep
 



  Aditi Ray posted 6 mnths ago

Hi Sandeep,

 

A country is a geographical entity. Individuals identify first with their family, then with the village, then with the state/province…you get the drift. IMO, nothing    wrong with that, as long as one is able to appreciate the   context.

 

UniDy in the national context will be manifest when ordinary persons  living lives of ordinary humdrum existence  in various hamlets suddenly find something which makes them relate to  others living within the same geographical entity either on a common point of concern or elation. The examples will be when a foreign country attacks India (concern), or when the Indian cricket team wins (elation). IMO, there is no problem in wearing different regional /religious/linguistic hats, while feeling one with the country. When Kargil happened, the response of ordinary citizens from Nagaland to Kerala was  kind of unprecedented in recent history. When Sachin Tendulkar scores a century, the joy felt by a Bengali or a Punjabi is no less than that felt by a Mumbaikar. But when a Sourav Ganguli is not selected despite a very consistent performance on the specious consideration that he is old, but a Sachin Tendulkar, equally old, is selected, there is bound to be acrimonious debate on lack of transparency. It will be difficult to expect uniDy in this case. But the fault is not with the citizens, it is with the selectors/administrators.  

 

On the example of inter-State disputes like sharing of river water, raising height of dam etc, the problem is basically of state-level politicians not rising to the stature of statesmen, and weak political will of the Centre. The point that I am wanting to make is that  the problem is not really of the citizens not feeling “Indian” enough. 

In any election, in any country, the ‘mass’ tend to vote according to local issues rather than amorphous 'national' issues, it is not peculiar to India.  Even in the recent run on Obama vs Hillary in the ‘mother’ of all democracies, the blacks, men and women, seem to have voted overwhelmingly for Obama.....

 

Aditi   



  bharatborn posted 6 mnths ago

Can't recommend it because didn't 'enjoy' it. It's true. hard to find Indians in India. 



  atims posted 6 mnths ago

sorry, the earlier comment was a trial, because these days i am having trouble posting comments. I type out a long one and send it off to get a message that there is an error on the page... so nowadays i first practice my alphabets as a prelude to the actual comment  .
Actually, it is just as well that last evening's comment did not go off, because after mulling over the issue, I find myself at a different place. First I was inclined to agree with every word you said. Now, the agreement is not total. 
Firstly, we need to differentiate whether the discord is arising because of the basic economic problem of not having enough go around(which i feel is the case in the cauvery issue, education, jobs) or whether it is because of estrangement from the idea of the county as a whole. 
REgarding the class and caste struggles we are seeing, I think it is a economic-political creation. If there had been enough resources to provide for everybody, i dont think the fabric of society would be as weak as it is now. 
I do have a tendency to strip everything down to basics, and have been accused of being an idiot because of this. But as I see it, after sixty more years of education and prospertity, the faultlines will begin to heal. I dont see the prejudices going away totally, but i feel they will soften. 
These things, I feel, dont happen through propoganda and hectoring. It is a slow process of social evolution and political maturity. Some regions, like the naxal and terrorist infested states will remain outliers and major sores on the map, but I feel the rest of the country is beginninng to come together, especially among the upper middle classes of educated professionals.. It will take time, but I am optimistic that the cohesive forces will trickle down as well.
Thx for a thought provoking post.



  Rama Rao Garimella posted 6 mnths ago

My dear Sandeep Shete,
First thanks for not taking umbrage at any of my comments.
2. About terrorism I am with u 100%. I have been advocating for tougher laws.
3. Coming to the point of national integration, what is this integration? This unity in diversity is not a myth as u would like to put it. Take our own example. I do not know ur background nor u mine. But we r sitting here and discussing this subject without getting worked up and trying to find a common ground. That itself is a small example of unity in diversity. We two r differnt in many ways, place of birth, profession, personal preferences etc but have a common factor the good of our country.
U will be surprised to note that things like Bollywood movies, Hindi songs. cricket matches,Davis cup matches, Vishwanadhan Anand's success in chess, Vijay Amritraj's moderate success in tennis, all work to bond the nation to a cohesive unit.  Above all our Armed Forces drawing people from different parts of the country work as a very strong bond. U should see the comradarie amongst the serving & retired personnel of the Armed forces.
Take the case of Yugoslavia, a country with diverse ethnic groups which broke into pieces with horrible carnage of death and destruction. The USSR disintegrated when the people were given a whiff of freedom. We fight among ourselves for river waters and all states want a bigger share in the national pie and we kill and maime few frequently but still hold as a single entity of a nation. We are not going to have balkanisation of our country. No political party how stupid it may be will advocate that, ULFA in the north east and some other divisive forces supported and funded by outside powers are trying to disintegrate our country. But we r working on two flanks engaging them at the table and on the rugged fields outside.
If u compare this situation with countries like Combodia etc we r much better off.
I can quote many examples where prosperous countries like Nigeria were put asunder by internal strife and ruined. We should take heart and progress. The politicians must change their credo that the country comes first and their state, party and other things can only follow. The new crop of politicians except the reds are showing signs of maturity and chill it out even with their adversaries in other poarties. Let us hope that bright days are ahead. Leave your cynicism behind and think positively and if each one of us contribute in a small way for the national integration the nation will bond together fast. CHAKDE INDIA.
Ramarao.



  Sandeep Shete posted 6 mnths ago

dear nargis,
honestly, i struggled with myself before posting this overtly pessimistic blog on republic day. but then the issues i'v raised truly exercise my sense of being indian and hence i went ahead and posted it. republic day is as good a day as any to speak one's mind, i think.
i agree, we've come a long way and will make great progress in the coming years and decades. however, unless we learn to think of the supreme national interest before our own narrow aspirations, we're in for troubled times.
just look at the naxal problem for instance. do we even have a proper doctrine acceptable to most indians for dealing with the issue? while the centrel govt. might want to deal with naxalism more firmly, there're regional political forces that would like to take a more liberal stand for their electoral considerations. meanwhile, the naxals continue to expand their area of operations, bringing more districts under their nefarious influence. how long before large parts of india virtually become separate nations with naxal-ruled administrations?
anyways, thanks for the visit and the thoughtful comment.
sandeep



  Sandeep Shete posted 6 mnths ago

ha ha kaps!
the emoticon was just an afterthought to put some color in the commentbox. surely, you don't mind my being a bit informal with you, do you?
sandeep





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